This post on Tomorrow.sg (little side project for some Singaporean bloggers) made me think, one of my pet peeves is when people talk about “young people these days” and then launch into a tirade about a decline of moral values, as though it were a self-evident thing. I frankly don’t think young people are any more or less immoral than in any past - at least, not at the levels that suggest moral cataclysm. Oh well, people seem to like harkening back to some prelapsarian past when all young people did was sit around and make quilts, or something equally staid.
So I went searching for an old Socrates quote where good ol’ Soc (yeah, we’re on a nickname basis, we’re good like that) was moaning about the state of youth. Turns out Google Answers had a good collection of quotes bemoaning the state of youth throughout history:
Here’s the quote I was thinking of: Socrates, on things that have been neglected
“I mean such things as these: — when the young are to be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general. You would agree with me? — Yes.” - Socrates, quoted in Plato’s The Republic (Link)
Another one:
“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint” - Hesiod, 8th century B.C.
Interesting that “wise” in the Hesiod quote is in an older sense of “disrespectful” - seems like the same sense that’s in “wiseguy” or “wisecrack”, although of course those words date only from 1896 and 1924 respectively, according to the Online Etymology Dictionary.
Randomly, “wiseacre” is a creation of folk etymology, from the Dutch wijsseggher, “soothsayer”.